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		<title>Technology and the coven</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jenett</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>So, my day job as a librarian has a certain amount of spillover into how I priestess &#8211; I&#8217;m very committed to connecting people to information they care about, and this goes just as much for the coven setting as for the library.</p> <p>But how to do it? Sitting this week at a library <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/2009/03/21/technology-and-the-coven/">Technology and the coven</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, my day job as a librarian has a certain amount of spillover into how I priestess &#8211; I&#8217;m very committed to connecting people to information they care about, and this goes just as much for the coven setting as for the library.</p>
<p>But how to do it? Sitting this week at a library technology conference, I realised I really wanted to talk about some of the great resources out there, and how they can be used to make group work a little easier.</p>
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<p>And yet, at the same time, one of the things I&#8217;ve been thinking about a lot is how to balance our online time with other things we want to do. I am more and more firm about the idea that technology should help me do more of what I want to do &#8211; but not run my life for me. I want to have time to read and think and create and make music. (Though that&#8217;ll be another post too.)</p>
<p>First things first, what do we use? What could we use? And how much technical skill does it take?</p>
<p><strong>My technical skills:</strong></p>
<p>I have more technical skill than many people out there &#8211; after all, my original jobs out of college were doing web design and technical support, and I&#8217;ve had my own domain since 1998 or so. But I&#8217;m not a coder, not a programmer, and my usual level of serious geekery is  adapting other people&#8217;s code to specific requirements (change a URL, a phrasing, etc. in displayed text, color changes, etc.)</p>
<p>However, many of the options here are not all that complicated to run out of the box, or have relatively simple alternatives. And of the others, a number just require one technically-savvy person in the group to set-up and do occasional maintenance, while editing or adding materials is pretty simple.</p>
<p><strong>Hosting and other questions:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a personal site (the same one that hosts this blog) with<a href="http://drak.net"> Drak.net</a> for about a decade, and continue to be really happy with them, but there are many great inexpensive hosts out there.</p>
<p>My former group&#8217;s website is hosted in the same account, using an add-on domain (basically, circleofthephoenix.org points at a subfolder of my hosting account.) This is a cheap and elegant solution if someone is already paying for hosting space. (Though you need to make sure that you know what you&#8217;ll do if that person leaves the group.  More on that in a forthcoming post, too, on information policy considerations.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not interested in spending your time fiddling with the code side, I recommend looking for a host who provides Fantastico, which is a series of automated installers and updaters for many of the software packages I&#8217;ll be talking about later in this post (including Mailman, WebCalendar, WordPress, and Moodle, along with other software that has similar functions.)</p>
<p><strong>Email and email lists:</strong></p>
<p><em>Best for </em>announcements and information between group events.  Can accommodate a range of text lengths (brief messages to much longer information).</p>
<p><em>Resources: </em>Many people use <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com">Yahoo! </a>lists (free, easy to set up), but in this case, we&#8217;re using Mailman mailing list software running on our own hosted domain server. I prefer this because we&#8217;ve got more control over the set-up and functions, and it&#8217;s generally more reliable. <a href="http://groups.google.com">Google Groups</a> is another possible option.</p>
<p><em>Time needed:</em> Setting up the lists took an hour or so. Maintaining them is pretty easy. Generally, we did additions as needed, and reviewed the list once a year or so to ensure that the lists were up to date.</p>
<p><em>Downsides: </em>Don&#8217;t rely on email for urgent last-minute communication &#8211; not everyone is on email every day, and not everyone is near their email all the time. (Even me! I usually am, but because I work at a school, there are days I&#8217;m off doing something else all day, and don&#8217;t check my email before heading off for my evening activity.)</p>
<p>Tone can also be a significant issue &#8211; you may want to have a standard agreement that emotionally complicated discussions happen in person, and save the email list for practical issues. (&#8220;Remember, we&#8217;re meeting at 5, and here&#8217;s the list of who offered to bring what.&#8221;)</p>
<p><strong>Web calendar:</strong></p>
<p>It can be really hard to keep track of group events and who&#8217;s involved in what. A web calendar can go a huge way toward making sure people know where they need to be when. Other useful information may include what you&#8217;re doing, what people should bring, or any other planning information they may want to refer to.</p>
<p><em>Resources</em>: My former group uses WebCalendar (a free option with installation and upgrade support through Fantastico) because when I originally set up the calendar, <a href="http://calendar.google.com">Google Calendar </a>was not an option. For Phoenix Song, I may shift to Moodle&#8217;s built in calendar, to centralise group information in one place, even though the calendar entry software is a bit kludgy. Yahoo also has some calendar functions.</p>
<p><em>Things to keep in mind</em>: The calendar will be of most use if it is either very easy to review or if people can download information to their own calendars (especially if you have several people using electronic calendars, handheld devices, or other similar tools for their personal calendars.) Most calendar systems allow you to export and import &#8211; but some make it easier than others. Talk to your real actual group members about what makes sense for them.</p>
<p><em>Time</em>: Setting up the calendar is fairly quick &#8211; but maintenance can be really complicated. I found that if I don&#8217;t update immediately, it&#8217;s really easy to forget to do so.</p>
<p>Useful information may include what you&#8217;re doing, what people should bring, or any other planning information they may want to refer to.</p>
<p><strong>Website: </strong></p>
<p>Many groups have a website that provides basic general information about the group.  I&#8217;ve already talked about this<a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/2008/10/13/websites-and-covens/"> at length in another post. </a></p>
<p><em>Resources</em>: As mentioned there, we use WordPress, because it&#8217;s easy, it&#8217;s quick to edit, and it&#8217;s what I&#8217;m already using for this blog and other resources I maintain. (This means I remember to upgrade, etc. which is useful.) But there are many other options &#8211; everything from hand-coding it yourself to using a complex content management system.</p>
<p><em>Time</em>: Initial set-up and writing of the Phoenix Song pages took me most of a weekend. I want to go through and review and edit them sometime this spring or early summer because I think healthy websites need periodic review.</p>
<p><em>Downsides: </em>Someone has to write the content and maintain it. And in a group, you generally should make sure the group members have a chance to comment about it &#8211; is it engaging to them? Does it represent the group fairly? This can be a bit time-consuming.</p>
<p><strong>Teaching content:</strong></p>
<p>This is the newest addition to our own technology. I knew as I started putting teaching materials together that I&#8217;d like to do several things.</p>
<p>1) Have students read the background material for each class in advance, so that we could spend our time together on their questions, and then on deeper discussion and understanding. We made this choice for several reasons, and we do have a back-up plan for people who don&#8217;t learn well this way, but this is our default. More on this at some point in the future.)</p>
<p>2) While there are some printed book requirements, we have had trouble finding books that cover all of the content that we really wanted. So I knew I wanted to write a substantial amount of what we&#8217;d discuss.</p>
<p>3) I knew I wanted to make most of it available electronically &#8211; which meant some way to manage the materials.</p>
<p>So, after poking around at different solutions, I finally said &#8220;Let me just use this nice course management software that I know how to use, is free, and does what we need.&#8221; which is Moodle. We use it at work, and it is easy to manage, allows you to set up text and image files very easily (as well as many things we probably won&#8217;t use), and allows you to limit access to different sections very easily. For example, we can allow someone access to our Seeker materials without allowing access to the Dedicant information, or to the teacher materials.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re testing this now, but I think it&#8217;s going to a good solution to our specific needs. And because it&#8217;s web-browser based, you don&#8217;t need to make sure everyone can read Word files, or PDF files, or whatever else.</p>
<p><em>Other resources</em>: Depending on what you want to do &#8211; and how much material you want to make available &#8211; you can use WordPress or another web content management system. You could email files. You could use Google Docs to manage files for the group. Some groups I know use LiveJournal or other journalling software sites. Most of these have some level of password protection or access limits.  You could use a wiki base to create documents, and make use of the interlinking abilities.</p>
<p><em>Time: </em>Installing Moodle, with Fantastico, took me all of 2 hours to do the initial set up for three different &#8216;courses&#8217;. (However, I&#8217;m already familiar with the software and settings options. Allow more time if you&#8217;re not.) Adding content once it&#8217;s written is pretty fast: you can copy and past from a word processor easily, and just edit a bit as needed.</p>
<p><em>Downsides</em>: It&#8217;s a separate site, that may not be well integrated with group member&#8217;s lives in other ways. They need to remember to go there, and how to get there. Once we&#8217;re sure we&#8217;re going to keep it, I can help with the last bit by a link from our website. Finally, different options will give you different tools &#8211; linking within Moodle, for example, is not that hard, but it&#8217;s a bit clunkier than doing it within a wiki, making pointing at other files a little more cumbersome.</p>
<p>As with all these other things, think about what kind of content you&#8217;re going to be working with, and what makes sense with that. Also, seriously consider your privacy considerations &#8211; I&#8217;ll be talking about oathbound and other confidential information in an upcoming post on information policy.</p>
<p><strong>Bookmarks</strong>:</p>
<p>One thing I knew I wanted to do was to use a social bookmarking site to handle community bookmarks. I use <a href="http://delicious.com">Delicious.com</a> to do this, as I really like how they let you sort and manage bookmarks. We have ours tagged by topic, but also by the class they relate to. (So, for example, someone can read seeker class 1, and then go <a href="http://delicious.com/phoenix_song/seeker1">browse all the bookmarks </a>related to that class easily.)</p>
<p>These do take some management &#8211; someone needs to make sure they&#8217;re tagged in a way that is actually useful for what you want. On the other hand, it&#8217;s a great way to share other perspectives and ideas.</p>
<p>There are other social bookmarking sites out there. I do suggest, though, that if you set up an account for your group, you keep it separate from your personal account. It&#8217;s a pain to log out and log in again, but it keeps the group bookmarks cleaner.</p>
<p><strong>Group library: </strong></p>
<p>One of my upcoming projects is to scan books in my personal library and in the coven library into <a href="http://librarything.com">LibraryThing</a>, so that group members can see what I own and borrow or make use of them as needed.  There are a number of online and computer based catalogs available these days: pick the one that works for your collection and community. (And I&#8217;m definitely glad to talk further about this one if anyone has questions: it&#8217;s obviously one of the forms of technology nearest and dearest my own heart.)</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion:</strong></p>
<p>I list all these technologies not because I think anyone needs to use all of them &#8211; but because they offer ways to help group members connect with information more easily.</p>
<p>Pick the ones that work for you and make your lives easier. Don&#8217;t use the ones that don&#8217;t, or that overwhelm you. I happen to like messing around with different kinds of technology (and there&#8217;s some professional benefit for me in being familiar with a number of different tools). If that&#8217;s not true for you, pick the ones that make the most difference in your life.</p>
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		<title>Thinking about magical jewelry</title>
		<link>http://gleewood.org/threshold/2008/11/24/thinking-about-magical-jewelry/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jenett</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for lack of posting &#8211; I was seriously wiped out by a nasty cold for the last week (and not feeling great for other reasons for a few days before that.) And, of course, I&#8217;m about to be out and about for Thanksgiving, and likely not near a computer much if at all.</p> <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/2008/11/24/thinking-about-magical-jewelry/">Thinking about magical jewelry</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for lack of posting &#8211; I was seriously wiped out by a nasty cold for the last week (and not feeling great for other reasons for a few days before that.) And, of course, I&#8217;m about to be out and about for Thanksgiving, and likely not near a computer much if at all.</p>
<p>This did, however, get me thinking about magical jewelry, because I&#8217;m trying to decide what to pack for my plans (I&#8217;m seeing friends, and there may or may not be some ritual time, depending on how things fall out.) Especially since I&#8217;ve just done another talk at work today (to our comparative religions class) about Wicca.</p>
<p>Now, there is, of course, the old joke about the race for priestesses: each priestess puts on all of her jewelry, and whoever can drag themselves to the finish line first wins &#8211; because, somehow, we all accumulate it.</p>
<p>I try to be very good about this &#8211; as people around me have heard me say, I have only one neck, and only so many things that are going to go on it at a particular time. I therefore try really hard to make sure that any new additions meet a specific need or fill a gap when I wouldn&#8217;t otherwise be wearing something.</p>
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<p><strong>A digression into amber and jet:</strong><br />
Amber and jet, of course, are considered to have specific magical properties. Both were formed what was once living trees (amber is fossilised sap, and jet is fossilised wood), and they&#8217;re widely considered to have energetic properties to match that are different than stones. (Note that I&#8217;m carefully not saying &#8216;better&#8217; here: different.)</p>
<p>In some paths, it&#8217;s traditional for only 3rd degrees to wear mixed amber and jet: there are all sorts of poetic descriptions of why this is the case. (In this theory, 1sts wear amber alone, 2nds wear jet alone, and at 3rd, you mix them, having done both the external and internal work, the light and the darkness, etc. etc.)</p>
<p>My tradition isn&#8217;t formal about this, but many of us have chosen to do this &#8211; and I was greatly delighted to get an amber and jet necklace from a good friend as a 3rd degree present. I&#8217;m actually wearing it at the moment, as something wear for this presentation.)</p>
<p>I have one big chunky amber necklace (bought with funds that were a communal gift to go shopping with while I was in Vienna and Hungary two winters ago with my mother &#8211; her side of the family is from that part of Europe, so buying amber from nearby was a really lovely choice.) and a few smaller, &#8216;casual&#8217; pieces that don&#8217;t look obviously Pagan. But mostly, I think I&#8217;ve collected as much amber as a person needs. (It helps that both the red and green ambers look horrible with my skin tone.)</p>
<p><strong>But in general:<br />
</strong>I tend to have two sets of jewelry. One are formal ritual pieces &#8211; symbols that are commonly recognised, either within the broader community (like amber and jet) or within the tradition (our tradition medallions and some other specific adornments).</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the stuff I actually wear far more regularly &#8211; pieces that are not obviously Pagan (the only pentacle I own, in fact, is on the back of one of my tradition medallions. Strange, but true) but that have a particular feel or focus or meaning to me.</p>
<p>I have a good friend who is an <a href="http://elisem.livejournal.com">immensely talented jeweler</a> (look for the posts that say ArtLog: she posts current items many Fridays). I acquire at least one of her pieces each year: these are not formal magical workings, but they do hold energy in a truly amazing way, and they tend to have strong personalities as she names each one. You can see a few samples <a href="http://pics.livejournal.com/jenett/pic/0004hr16/">here</a>, and <a href="http://pics.livejournal.com/jenett/pic/0004ppsx/">here</a>. And <a href="http://pics.livejournal.com/jenett/pic/0004k1ak/">this shot </a>shows another one (on the left) along with my cluster of amber and other deliberately magical pieces.</p>
<p>So, there&#8217;s a necklace I wear when I want to be particularly balanced, one I wear when I want to focus on creativity and playful exploration, one I wear when I&#8217;m focusing on doing a good, detailed, job at something. They&#8217;re not formally charged pieces &#8211; but they&#8217;ve grown those energies over time. And I have several I wear for specific kinds of priestessing work &#8211; teaching, or having a challenging conversation, or being supportive, that make it easier for me to hook into that particular focus and energy.</p>
<p><strong>Other jewelry:</strong><br />
My tradition does have a practice of giving medallions &#8211; one at 1st degree, one at 3rd degree &#8211; that have symbols of the tradition on them. These are commonly worn for ritual (and I&#8217;ve worn them very occasionally, usually next to my skin, on days I particularly wanted to draw on that connection and assocation.) They&#8217;re also, obviously, imbued with the energy of the tradition both actively and passively.</p>
<p>This can sometimes be a little tricky &#8211; we did have a student figure out where to get one, and start wearing it, and had to explain why that wasn&#8217;t considered appropriate in that very specific setting (this being one of those things that isn&#8217;t broadly explained until it&#8217;s relevant to you. The medallion in question is not common: it&#8217;s a combination of stamped sides that&#8217;s not likely to happen unless you request it.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also got pieces collected from specific workings &#8211; pieces from elemental attunement work, for example. But these are fairly few and far between.  At least 75% of what I own is not obviously Pagan even to other Pagans (at least until they handle it) but deeply meaningful (and useful) to me.</p>
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		<title>On websites and covens</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jenett</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How we share information about our group sets the first impression of the group. Here's a few thoughts about web design and group work.  <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/2008/10/13/websites-and-covens/">On websites and covens</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week (this&#8217;d be mid-October 2008), I put together a coven website. You can see the website  <a href="http://gleewood.org/phoenixsong">here</a>, and our Witchvox listing <a href="http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_gr.html?a=usmn&amp;id=32984">here</a>. So, now seems like a good time to talk about what I think makes a good group website.</p>
<p>(We&#8217;ll pause here and note that I started doing basic webdesign back in something like the fall of 95, and did some educational design for my college for a year after graduation. Which is to say, I am opinionated. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m fabulous at this stuff, but I do aim for competent.)</p>
<h2>Design:</h2>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that design is the only thing that matters &#8211; but it is a big part of first impression. Design also plays a big role in navigation and site organisation, so it&#8217;s worth looking at before you do anything else.</p>
<p>I think there are lots of ways to go about looking at design. When I redesigned <a href="http://circleofthephoenix.org/">my former group&#8217;s website</a> a few years ago, I wanted to keep a hint of the Egyptian focus that the group had started with (and that the former website reflected) &#8211; but I also wanted to include the sense of transformation, movement, and potential for change that&#8217;s part of a teaching group.</p>
<p>And so, there, you see that the background is a very faded out parchment image &#8211; just a hint of texture and shading. The header image is from a photo of the sun through a stained glass phoenix image made by a former student and now initiate (it&#8217;s a *stunning* piece: this photo just shows a strip of it.)</p>
<p>For Phoenix Song, I wanted to reflect our emphasis on intentional simplicity and on .. well, okay, giving people a lot of information so they can evaluate it. We do intend to have a nice header graphic at some point (L&#8217;s working on some designs) but we expect to keep the dark green color as the dominant color on the site with a white background and gray/black text. (That said, I didn&#8217;t want to wait for the art to get the site up: it&#8217;s been nagging at me more and more the last few weeks, which is why I pushed to finish it this past week.)</p>
<p>You will notice that neither site has spinning pentacles, blinky text, or other such things. (I consider them bad design, even if they&#8217;re sometimes sorta fun to poke at.)</p>
<p>CotP&#8217;s site is done in straight HTML with a simple CSS overlay (and a chunk of it was hand-coded for various reasons.) I recently offered to shift them to WordPress (to make it easier for others to edit: they&#8217;re currently hosted on my website account and I do the changes as needed since they require the master account password), but no word on that yet.</p>
<p>Phoenix Song&#8217;s is set up in WordPress as pages (for easy editing), currently using a slightly edited (color choices) version of the Skimmed Milk theme. (I may well change the theme slightly when we get the graphic, though, as I&#8217;m not entirely crazy about some of the spacing.)</p>
<h2>Content:</h2>
<p>There are different ways to approach content. Some groups put the bare minimum up online, and encourage people to talk to them if they&#8217;re interested in the next step. Some groups put a good bit more information up there.</p>
<p>The first thing about content is &#8220;Why are you putting this up there?&#8221; The second thing is about making it easy(ish) to read and move around in.</p>
<p>Phoenix Song&#8217;s site, if you look at it carefully, falls into 3 categories.</p>
<h3><strong>1) The &#8220;About our group&#8221; stuff.</strong></h3>
<p>This is designed to start general, and get more specific (ideally, you start at the main page, if you like what you read you get the &#8220;More details&#8221; which has some other useful practical specifics. If you&#8217;re still interested, you get to the membership stuff (which is three pages to make it slightly less painful to fiddle with &#8211; one general, one &#8220;Here&#8217;s how the process works, so there&#8217;s no surprises&#8221; and one with the letter of introduction.</p>
<p>The last 2 pages could have been handled in email, but I chose not to do that for two reasons.</p>
<p>- I think it&#8217;s often useful for people to see how other groups handle things &#8211; having it online may be useful to someone else.</p>
<p>- It gives us a good read on whether someone&#8217;s willing to read 6 pages into the site and follow some specific directions. If they send us a generic &#8220;I&#8217;m interested in your group, tell me more.&#8221; they probably aren&#8217;t a good fit for us. (In practice, I&#8217;d probably do a &#8220;Our website has all the basic info you need: we&#8217;re glad to answer specific questions not answered there&#8221; and see what happens.)</p>
<h3><strong>2) General information and resources:</strong></h3>
<p>Mostly, this is outreach stuff. We&#8217;re a small group, we don&#8217;t do public ritual, etc &#8211; but we can choose to point to other local resources. Doing so, I think, makes it a little easier to say &#8220;Not for us, bye!&#8221; Having it online (rather than in email) means I can say &#8220;Oh, we don&#8217;t seem to be a good fit &#8211; but here, go look at this page, it has links to a bunch of local options&#8221; in a way that&#8217;s easy for me to keep updated or edit on the fly.</p>
<p>Likewise, the music resources page is because as soon as we say Phoenix Song&#8217;s got a focus on music in ritual, people go &#8220;Oh, really, what kind of music?&#8221; And doing the listing once (with edits as needed) is a lot easier than trying to remember what&#8217;s on the iTunes at home.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Visiting us&#8221; page falls into both this category and the &#8220;About us&#8221; one. It&#8217;s obviously useful for people visiting us, but it&#8217;s also useful for people wondering what kinds of things they might want to be aware of with other groups.</p>
<h3><strong>3) Member info: </strong></h3>
<p>For actual members, there are some other useful bits of information &#8211; links to stuff for class discussions/resources, plus password protected page of other info. I&#8217;m thinking basic meeting dates plus some general training sequence stuff &#8211; stuff that would not be the end of the world if the password protection failed, but which we&#8217;d rather not make broadly available.</p>
<p><strong>Stuff to be added:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Photos (of things, not people, probably)</li>
<li>L is going to work on a bio and some music notes (she&#8217;s already agreed with everything else on there.)</li>
<li>The members-only stuff</li>
</ul>
<h2>Other choices:</h2>
<p>Now, one set of choices here is about how much text to have up. As you can see, for Phoenix Song, I erred on the side of &#8220;More information is good&#8221;. This is my natural inclination, but I did think about it a great deal (and about each segment), and in the end, decided it needed to be there.</p>
<p>I wanted to provide enough information that someone could make a reasonable choice about whether it was worth their time (and ours) to explore this further &#8211; that means that a lot of practical details (location, scheduling, etc.) are in some ways a lot more immediately relevant. At the same time, I wanted to give enough of an idea of what we do in ritual that people could say &#8220;Yes, that sounds interesting&#8221; without giving out too many personal/intimate details on the web.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also informative to note which things we don&#8217;t talk about in detail &#8211; you&#8217;ll notice, for example, that there&#8217;s nothing about which deities we work with on there, because that&#8217;s a conversation we&#8217;d rather have in person. At the moment, it takes a bit of explanation. (That said, we do mention polytheistic practice, etc. etc. so people should be aware of what they&#8217;re looking at.)</p>
<p>The choice of amount of text is also deliberate in some ways: the way we&#8217;re planning on training involves a fair bit of reading (there are some alternatives if that&#8217;s an issue for someone, but it&#8217;s our base assumption.) If that&#8217;s an issue for someone, better we figure that out early, before taking everyone&#8217;s time.</p>
<h2>What frustrates me in Pagan group page design:</h2>
<p>There are &#8211; okay, more than a few things &#8211; that frustrate me as I&#8217;ve looked at sites over the years.</p>
<h3><strong>1) Playing music at me.</strong></h3>
<p>No. Just no. Bands get to do that, and even then, please make it easy for me to turn off (I&#8217;ve got my own music playing, thank you!). Everyone else? No. Really no.  I love sites that *include* sound files &#8211; but please give me the chance to decide what to play, when.</p>
<h3><strong>2) Graphics that take away from the actual information<br />
</strong></h3>
<p>I deeply appreciate good web art &#8211; but I also believe that good art in an information source should support the information, not make it hard to find or read. I&#8217;m in the design camp that says that attention to good basic design (readability, structure, color choices, etc.) goes a great deal to support the art, as well.</p>
<p>If you do choose to use eye-catching graphics, a few go a long way. Or set up a page to play with the pretty shinies, and let people click into it only if they want to.</p>
<h3><strong>3) Navigation issues:</strong></h3>
<p>If your goal is information, people need to be able to find it. Sequential pages are one thing (like how our membership pages work so that you must read the initial pages first) &#8211; but it should generally be easy to get back to the index or general info and find your way around. (This is one of the reasons that doing this in WordPress makes my life easier: set the links up once, and they continue to work.)</p>
<p>Broken links? Not good.</p>
<h3><strong>4) Currency</strong></h3>
<p>I always wonder when I look at a site where it says &#8220;Brand new for 2006!&#8221; (and it&#8217;s 2008). It doesn&#8217;t imply regular editing, certainly. Makes you wonder what else has changed that they haven&#8217;t mentioned.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s two ways to handle this &#8211; avoid time-based stuff entirely (which is what most of our site does), or limit it to a small number of pages that can be easily updated. (which is what we do in the exceptions: I know where the dated stuff is.)</p>
<h3><strong>5) Sites that give you little idea about the feel of the group</strong></h3>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about &#8216;put everything out there&#8217;. But I do wonder about groups that have very minimal text info, very little design coherency, and very little.. well anything. How is an interested reader supposed to distinguish you from any other group out there?</p>
<p>Sites don&#8217;t need to be fancy, but most witches are aware of at least basic color theory (since we use the same stuff in ritual and spellwork!) and it&#8217;s nice to see it applied or handled accordingly. If your site is all reds and orange, but you&#8217;re talking about calm reflection, I&#8217;m going to raise an eyebrow.</p>
<p>(Likewise, I expect some people will go &#8220;Phoenix? Why the green?&#8221; with ours. Which is okay: there&#8217;s a specific reason for it, and once we get some graphic work up, I think it&#8217;ll be better. And otherwise, I think we give a good sense of the overall feel.)</p>
<p>So. My opinions and thoughts. If you do have comments on the site, or think I&#8217;ve left something out, I&#8217;m open to suggestions. (Don&#8217;t promise I&#8217;ll follow them, just that I believe in listening to reasonable suggestions.)</p>
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		<title>Tam Lin, and other momentary diversions</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>So I could reference it in a post elsewhere, I just posted a version of the Tam Lin story I wrote for a ritual over here (Complete with further explanation!)</p> <p>I do have more posts with content in progress &#8211; the start of the school year always scrambles my brain and my free time <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/2008/09/02/momentary-diversions/">Tam Lin, and other momentary diversions</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I could reference it in a post elsewhere, I just posted a version of the Tam Lin story I wrote for a ritual over  <a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/fyi/tam-lin">here</a> (Complete with further explanation!)</p>
<p>I do have more posts with content in progress &#8211; the start of the school year always scrambles my brain and my free time a little, but I&#8217;m getting back into the swing of things this week.</p>
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		<title>Bread addendum</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Conversation with a friend about my bread recipe reminded me of something.</p> <p>When I say cinnamon, I actually do mean cinnamon. However, most stuff sold as cinnamon in the US is actually cassia, a closely related tree that&#8217;s less expensive to harvest. I tend to prefer actual cinnamon.</p> <p>I buy almost all of my <span style="color:#777"> . . . &#8594; Read More: <a href="http://gleewood.org/threshold/2008/07/31/bread-addendum/">Bread addendum</a></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conversation with a friend about my bread recipe reminded me of something.</p>
<p>When I say cinnamon, I actually do mean cinnamon. However, most stuff sold as cinnamon in the US is actually cassia, a closely related tree that&#8217;s less expensive to harvest. I tend to prefer actual cinnamon.</p>
<p>I buy almost all of my culinary herbs from Penzey&#8217;s (<a href="http://penzeys.com">http://penzeys.com</a>, but I&#8217;m lucky to have two stores within easy driving distance.)</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve got the advantage of being a remarkably inexpensive pick-me-up. Not only is just walking into their store space is a fantastic experience of scent (all of their stuff is available in smellable test containers), but their prices are such that I can walk out with 5 or 6 different small bottles of things for under $20. (And since I&#8217;m only cooking for myself, usually, this goes a long way.</p>
<p>While they&#8217;re not necessarily organic, they are very good about marking sources (and about indicating clearly what&#8217;s in mixes.) And their herbs and other items are consistently high quality, flavorful, and enjoyable to work with.</p>
<p>Currently on my herb storage shelf:</p>
<ul>
<li>Ceylon cinnamon (ground, since I usually use it in bread.)</li>
<li>Dill weed (which I adore)</li>
<li>Rosemary (my current bottle is from Spain, and powdered, which I like in bread at times.)</li>
<li>Sweet Basil (French, as opposed to Californian: I like both, and tend to alternate.)</li>
<li>Cardamon (Guatemalan ground)</li>
<li>Orange peel (dried)</li>
<li>Nutmeg (West Indies, ground &#8211; yes, I know, really, I should grind it myself, but in practice, I never manage that.)</li>
<li>Tellicherry Black Pepper</li>
<li>Parsley</li>
<li>Spearmint</li>
<li>Powdered wasabi (lovely in a little dusting in the center of onigiri.)</li>
</ul>
<p>I also like several of their cheese mixes, and go through vast amounts of their Green Goddess dressing mix (which goes *very* well with a yogurt base: it makes a very nice dip. It does have a little sugar in it, however.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently out of &#8211; but should get more of &#8211; their freeze dried onions, shallots, and chives, all of which are great when I want a little bit of something, but don&#8217;t want to make an extra trip to the store.</p>
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